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i wonder what the most ubiquitous form of audio playback device is now

probably people's phones... i ask because i am trying to think of a way to help the permacomputer project store data in a format that would be used day-to-day.

the requirement of long-term data integrity is not a requirement, that will require some other medium. this question concerns more short- to medium-term storage.

ideally you would have a long term, well-engineered master copy, and then many cheaper, lossier copies made off that.

i figure something analogous to a cassette tape could work--audio data transfer is easily implemented in TTL circuitry, so it would make the permacomputer much simpler.

i wonder how one might store audio in the future? after a technological and ecological decline? maybe a lil mp3 player with a universal adaptor for any kind of drive, flash memory, smart card... old laptop hard drive?

maybe a built in EEPROM flasher--and the permacomputer will be geocached/time capsuled with a stash of EEPROMs?

@vidak
I think this question is what solarpunk has common with longtermism (which is otherwise kinda conservative movement...)

Some kind of analogue audio device would make sense, probably... basicaly, the vinyl gramophone audiophiles vere right.

@xChaos this is a strategic question for me, yes--i am imagining a 'left wing' long termism, to put it quickly.

i encountered something like this while studying hegel--italian fascists also loved him, it seems.

@xChaos @vidak From a point of quality, vinyl is mere phoolery, but from a point of being relatively straightforward to play (save for the RIAA curve), it's a good option.

@ozzelot @xChaos well i am really just imagining kansas city encoding:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_standard

so i think it may accommodate recording technologies that we would normally consider quite poor!

long play records--can you press them at home? i would ordinarily imagine them to be worth using for long-term, high integrity data storage?

paper tape...

it's paper tape isn't it

@vidak You're not gonna store much audio on hand-woven core data. Reel-to-reel tape's possible (but not trivial) to make by hand/simple industrial processes. People have made tape in a garage and it wasn't very consistent, so it needs a little more machining. RAM is basically impossible without reinventing the clean room and etching setup.

@vidak @xChaos My home contains strange things, but a vinyl record press is too strange even by my standards.

@mdhughes i am assuming eventual primitive clean room conditions, perhaps the recovery and maintenance of what few electron microscopes are left

have you heard of sam zeloof? we can do intel 4004's in the backyard as of now

@mdhughes oh, and thanks for the help with my BASIC game! you were right about DIMs

@ozzelot @vidak yet, if you are interested in audio longtermism, you should somehow try to belong to community, which has access to vinyl record press...

@xChaos @ozzelot very good point!!

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