@mdhughes @akkartik @permacomputer yes that's really where the target audience for the project is, in my mind--

i am interested in on-boarding complete n00bs, and really attempting to foster a culture that avoids much of the toxic practices of the current computing industry.

i think it fits into my everyday activism as well, many people are only really waking up to what has been going on because of the undemocratic nature of our media and political systems...

@50htz iirc, it's basically a drop-in replacement for the arduino or pico!

https://github.com/Stan6314/TinyBasRV

main issue is finding a model as beefy as the pico, but i think there's a nice model @ AUD15 that has ~64KB SRAM...

@mdhughes @akkartik well i meant everyone in this discussion--is there anything we can agree on? i think there's a lot we share here anyway.

hard to explain, but there is an excitement i feel when i am programming BASIC. i can knock something half-decent for my own purposes together in an afternoon or two, and that satisfies the itch for "joyful programming" for me.

the scope of the exploration of the @permacomputer project was definitely programs around or just over 100 lines. definitely not more than 200.

for the application that it was targeted towards, i think the investigation the project did into BASIC was fruitful, and even quite surprising--the 70s/80s hobby computing scene was far richer and more creative than i imagined: i ended up unearthing MANY text editors written in BASIC!

@akkartik @mdhughes i am certainly open to designing a different language with a syntax that satisfies everyone. i did some research on this last year... cannot seem to find it quickly, though.

@akkartik @loke i think both computer literacy and ecological computing practices would need to be combined topics to be dealt with dialectically, not separately. i think of paolo freire's "pedagogy of the oppressed".

I wanna check out the latest BASIC 10 liner competition winners

@50htz @akkartik you should check out the CH32 series of RISC V microcontrollers. They have ported the Arduino core to it! So it's single click code portability in this case!

cc @yrabbit

Taiwanese massage degrees going to Turkey — Q12,102

The motif of spambots posting semi-nonsensical advertisements about how easy it is to get Turkish citizenship once you get a massage degree, or something vaguely in that vein, substituting Turkey for various countries but often keeping the theme of "massage certificates" or "massage tools".

This is a complicated scheme, but when you boil it down, what this appears to be is neocolonialism.
Step one is to persuade every country that capitalism is freedom (this is not mentioned on any spambot page). Step two is to attract a bunch of would-be capitalists from other countries to Turkey or Jamaica to generate businesses. Step three: the capitalists get citizenship. Step four: ten thousand Taiwanese capitalists dictate all the policies of Turkey based on what Taiwanese people would prefer, and insist that Turkey's people thinking up anything else is undemocratic. They remain connected to their families in Taiwan if they feel like it. They thoroughly disclaim that this is Taiwan conquering Turkey because they didn't hand Turkey to the government office of the island of Taiwan, thus it must be okay. If accused of settler-colonialism they shrug their shoulders and say they didn't violently claim all of Turkey in a war or kill its people, they just started businesses. And they don't know why living in a place doesn't entitle you to a government that serves you.

This scheme should really open people's eyes to how toothless the word "colonialism" is by itself at protecting anyone from empires. When all countries are chopped into pieces for sale, governments always serve the people that live in them.

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[Apparent ideology:] classical liberalism (ES/LR)

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@mdhughes @50htz @akkartik BASIC definitely makes sense to me--perhaps the standard of success for the project is "is it possible with reasonable effort", in which case I would definitely class the exploration the permacomputer project into BASIC a success.

Personally I do not understand the dislike of BASIC, but I want to work with others and take as many people along with me as possible.

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@50htz @akkartik okay we should have a discussion.

I am happy to move on from BASIC.

The main idea was to explore software printed on paper that had to be typed in, and that was a hard condition.

Perhaps the hard condition is not so much software written for type in.

We need a cheap computer platform that we can use for permacomputing purposes. My original selection was an Arduino or raspberry pi pico.

What are your thoughts?